to the gasoline tax, and through the highway trust fund, money flowed through to the transit programs at the local and metropolitan level. in 1990's, the early 1990's, we stopped funding at the federal law operating subsidies. it is a little ambiguous, but essentially, it has been a a capital program. its size is about $10 billion give or take annually. there's also a portion of it that comes from general funds, and program known as new start, for example, the extension of the washington metro from the dulles airport is funded from a program called a new start spiritedness -- a new starts. it generates more than $11 million per year, and represents about 20%, give or take, of the total federal circuit transportation funding. that is, about 80% goes to highways and 20% goes to transit. guest: -- host: we will talk about the federal level, but our best also has experience with state and local level as well prepared, if your regular mass transit, user, i call the number on the screen. everyone else, call the other number. our guest was with the transportation department as an assistant secretary. qui